The DMF on wife's Megane 225 is on its very last legs so while I replace that, a new clutch kit might be a good idea as the old one's done a lot of miles. I thought it wouldn't be such a big deal to do a clutch job, but then I read this thread: https://rsmegane.com/threads/please...ane-225-clutch-install-nightmare.18524/page-3 So... I'm looking at this kit: LUK 624 3211 33 It comes with disc, plate and the slave. Apparently the current clutch kit from Renault is 302057908R (doesn't come with the slave) but this number clearly matches 1.9 dCi clutch kits. And on this forum I read the diesel has a different flywheel. I have two 225 DMFs which should be identical, but can't really tell as I haven't dropped the gearbox yet. According to most sources the LUK number matches all Megane 225s made until late 2008. The car is a late 2006 model. So, is there any way for me to know if this is the correct kit before having the original clutch in my hands? And, if you've read the story on the link above, I would be interested if someone could point me into the direction of the special tool for setting the auto adjustment (just in case). And while we're on the subject, can you do the job without the special flywheel locking tool? I mean, remove and replace the DMF and the whole clutch? Please do share your technique for this, as it looks like these Renaults are quite finicky to work on compared to what I'm used to..
When I thought it was all over with the above mentionned thread, here we go again. In my experience which other people seems to share the setting tool is not required as the new clutch kit is already preset. when you fit it and use for the first time it will set itself byt this i mean the little green spring that are around the main clutch release spring. In term of number i am not sure as i have a 2.0dci so different clutch to yours. i am sure somebody will be kind enought to help in term of petrol version but as per the Luk Catalog the part number look right to me however this kit does not include the DMF. https://webcat.schaeffler.com/web/s...earch.xhtml?result=1559111297965&showResult=1 when i changed mine i manage to get a full kit from Ebay including DMF but not slave which i got from Renault as price wasn't that different when i did it. Best of luck.
looking in more details it looks like on the 225 you do need the setting tool after all. https://webcat.schaeffler.com/web/s...cationSearch.xhtml?result=1559111297965&csc=1
So you would say the LUK kit I mentioned should be the correct one? The links where it is sold all seem to say "special tool needed for installation". This could mean the setting tool I imagine. Can someone help me with a link to the setting tool used for this clutch kit? I would not want to buy the tool kit as linked on the Schaeffler web site as I only need the Renault one. Someone mentioned the tool being for sale somewhere for something like 50 USD. If you guys have no links, then please let me know what search words I should use. And, can someone confirm if the clutch/flywheel job can be done without the flywheel locking tool, or if there is a cheap version of that tool available somewhere. Thank you.
where are you based, the guys on the thread you mentioned leave in Scotland, maybe if you talk to him you could sort something out if he is willing to help...
My Renault tech mate says, no special tools are required for replacing the clutch/fly Janne. I have this LUK kit you linked, at his unit, ready to go on, when hes available! He says clutch is self setting. Contact ianplymouth on here to see what he thinks. Hes a good guy,that knows his mk2`s.
Great, thanks. I thought there has to be a reason why there is this contradicting information. So if the clutch pretension is as it should be from the factory, then no special tools would be needed. Just as it normally would be. Good to know and hopefully this information will help others too!
Hi, i am the 'idiot' who went through that clutch nightmare in the link above! :-) All i will say is not using tool, clutch didn't work, i then used tool and now clutch works! If you want a loan of the tool just ask and i'll send it!(weighs a ton mind you) None of the clutch centring/alignment dowels in the kit fitted(one that goes through the clutch friction plate to the spigot bearing) , i got a local engineering firm to whittle one down so that now fits the Meg perfectly! I can now fit clutches to these blindfolded! :-)
Oh, and a little info about the fitting tool, it actually does 4 things, 1)Makes sure clutch pressure plate goes on evenly2) makes sure clutch preset mechanism doesn't become undone during fitting3) If your pressure plate self adjust mechanism 'isn' t' preset, maybe had a bump during postage etc, the tool enables you to set this in-situ on the flywheel while fitting and 4) The fitting tool sets up the pressure plate and friction disc into a certain position where it's ready to go(Australian tech went into great detail with that last one for me)
depends on your experience level i suppose.My mate is a 20 year renault tech,and says he doesnt use anything when fitting clutches on 225`s
You don't really need much experience to diagonally, and evenly tighten bolts on a pressure plate gradually up to torque. I think these clutches are particulary sensitive to not being evenly tightened, the fitting tool lessens this greatly.
I don't think anyone is questioning that the tool is useful in many ways.. It was just strange that so many people, most of whom are not professionals, have been fitting these clutch kits successfully without special tools. But I'll see what happens once the clutch kit arrives; with my typical luck the pre-tension on it is going to be about seven miles off Oh, and Renault have their own tool for the job, which is a lot cheaper if you were to buy one; and apparently you can fab up a similar one with not much work/special parts... I'll report when I have news. Now I just have to get the gearbox off the engine without dying in the process.
I hae to disagree slightly that nobody questions the merits of the tool, quite a lot of people 'do' on here. To me it made the difference of a non functioning clutch and a functioning one! You mention that Renault have their own tool for the job, pity they don't mention it in the official Renault service manual i have! You have to wonder why they bother making a self adjusting clutch fitting tool for fitting a self adjusting clutch? When so many non professionals and professionals don't need it? You could be cynical and label itas jyst another exercise to screw money out of you like so many other manufacturers fitting tools that can be fabricated/substituted by other things, but as i said, the tool has got my car back on the road! And for the record, i adjusted the bolts diagonally opposite each other gradually up to torque on the pressure plate when i didn't have the tool, but obviously my gradually tightening bolts, and my torque wrench procedure must be different and wrong from everyone elses?? Since you don't want a loan of the tool the offer is there to anyone that wants it, also, if anyone is being tempted by going for a brand of clutch they don't prefer because it has the slave in it and your preferred clutch kit doesn't have the slave, i have a new Valeo slave here if anyone wants it free.
I saw some people saying the tool is not needed, not that it's not useful. As for not wanting to borrow the tool, where did I say that, I must have missed it. As for Renault making a tool for the job, it is clear you do need it if you're refitting a clutch that was already on the car. But since we're talking it doesn't seem to make much sense shipping such a tool overseas twice. If I run into problems I think I have to sort it out locally, to save everyone's time and effort.
Didn't know you were overseas.By not wanting the tool i meant because you are just not going to use one! , like everyone else on here doesn't use the tool, except me ofcourse!
Reading the topic through might help. And please don't presume to know what my plans are. FWIW it should be obvious I will utilize any necessery methods that are needed when it becomes known whether they are needed or not. Just because you needed the tool doesn't mean everyone does. And just because someone didn't need the tool doesn't mean someone else doesn't need it.
As per usual with forum threads,this one seems to be going the wrong way. The tool you have lee is a very handy tool for sure,and no doubt makes the job for a competent,amateur mechanic,a far easier one. If it helped to get the job done,then thats all that matters really. I am getting my info from a 20 year Renault tech,who obviously fits these on a weekly basis. I am in no position to question his experience.He says a universal centering tool is all thats required. No need for this to turn sour..there is no `one` method. As long as you have the tools and the know how,then crack on. All involved here appreciate your input,as in the end,you still got the clutch to work.
I’ve fitted one of these kits. The clutch plate was not preset at least for me. You don’t need the ridiculously expensive tool. You just need to get enough pressure on the fingers of the plate to set it. From memory I used an m12 bolt, the old friction disc and some hole saws. Threaded the lot though it all and tightened until the tension was enough to move the self adjustment on the plate then released the tension. Google will show you different ways people have done this. It’s not renault specific. Once it is set you can just fit as normal. I have no idea if the pressure plates all do or don’t need setting. All I know is the one I had defiantly did need to be set. It was the luk one I fitted. The workshop manual shows the tool being used to set the self adjustment. The cynic in me would think the plates aren’t set from factory so people have to buy the tool
i would just add that as it’s a self adjustment this would be as the clutch wears. So, fitting new it should work fine but then as it wears the plate won’t adjust so the clutch will not have the same longevity. Which would explain why people have fitted them without setting the adjustment and not had issues at least not initially
Hmm... This gave me a deeper perspective. Someone else also told you can "mock up" some alternative tools like that. Now I will sound like a complete noob, but how do I tell if the pressure plate is correctly set or not? It would not be fun at all to have to tear everything down for a second time after seeing the clutch not working correctly after putting everything back together (it's the issue with these cars that you have to disassemble the whole bloody front end to get to the clutch) So. I 100% believe Andrew's Renault tech friend has had no issues fitting these clutches without special tooling. Many home techs say the same. I also 100% believe the people here who have reported problems with the pre-tension. After all, even if it was set right from the factory it doesn't take a big bump upon transport to get it out of its setting. FWIW I can see that there's a cheaper "copy" version on eBay of the complete LUK tool kit, going for about 70 GBP plus shipping. But simple as things are, a home-made tool set could be all you need even if the setting is "out". As for the Google links, care to share any, Yorkie? So, if and when I do manage to get the gearbox safely off and have the new clutch kit at hand I'll see how it goes in my case. Hoping for the typical plug and play install, but I'm gonna make damn sure it's done correctly before starting the whole reassembly..
