Which winner racing cooler?

I got mine straight from winner_racing http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIGH-PERF...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19ce4b8cbe is the link to the one i got. TBH though i'd just go for the cheapest..... may be worth checking about import tax's, the guy i got it from assured me that they pay the import tax and it comes via Holland, so i paid a little more i think than the cheaper ones on ebay but had an email from "dave" saying that there would be no import charges - so if i did get stung i was going to claim it back via paypal

 

No worries fella

For the price mate you can't go wrong IMO, i did some datalogging ages ago when i bought it and it performed exactly as it said on the tin!

Almost 30% (i worked out 29. something) better cooling than the standard intercooler, only thing is you will probably need to trim the bracket that is part of the radiator, or modify the bracket on the actual intercooler but for the price you cant go wrong!

 

The welding etc isn't the prettiest but tbh i don't really care, it works how it should and that's the important bit to me.
I researched winner racing products before i bought it and they generally got good reviews i remember reading about an Evo (i think) that had one who did loads of data logging with it and other inter coolers running about 400-450bhp and he concluded that it was fine for the job, admittedly not quite as good as the brand names but it still did the job with no drama!

 

Im in the same boat , not sure how all this import tax stuff works lol.

 

I have explained this numerous times. As director of a company that imports / exports trust me on this one .

All products ( if discovered ) are liable to ( if outside the EU )

20% VAT added one
10% duty added one ( this varies depending on product to product, but for 90% of car stuff it is 10% )
A handling fee. I cant tell you how much that is as it depends on the carrier.

It all depends on who your carrier is.

Most chinese companies use EMS to ship their stuff , it rarely gets intercepted. Some chinese companies ship to a reseller ( normally a family member ) inside the EU. You wont be liable for the tax if going from EU to EU

Budget to get stung , and surprise the wife if your not.

 

And I just told you why he does that.

So you dont get any import + Vat

 

I bet thats cos he kept on getting stung by tax !

Ask for it to be shipped via EMS ( Chinese postal service ) its a little slower than say DHL but a lot less likely to be inspected and VAT correction + duty.

 

Nice one yes please mate.

 

Have I just typed for sweet FA? I have told you the situation. I have told you the law and what could , or couldn't happen.
I have ACTUALLY done this before. Even with an intercooler. I ran a group buy on here.

 

I didnt say it got shipped via the EU.

I imported many.
Some I got sent by DHL for speed.
Some I used by EMS

ALL were shipped from China.

 

Boom, got any pics? ?

 

I just bought this one yesterday, should be here tomorrow

£125

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=121388148847&alt=web

 

those welds do look shoddy!

 

Seriously tempting at that price

 

compare yours to a forge intercooler welds, you get what you pay for though



Whats the dimensions of the core of you intercooler?

 

To be fair the welds aren't the prettiest but does that really matter? As long as there up for the job!
I'd rather save 300+ quid over having pretty welding

 

From what i can remember i think my winner racing inter cooler was advertised as :-

• Core Size: W244mm×H635mm×T60mm
• Overall Size:W302mm×H795mm×T110mm

Although from what i remember when i measured it it was a few mm bigger

 

There have been pages of arguments over it before, you pay for quality AND performance. It wont perform as well as say the forge, so yes, you get exactly what you pay for.

if you are just driving it around ln the road the chinese spec will probably be ok

 

Paul from rs tuning told me it's only the welds that let it down. Core is all good. And a bargain for what it is.

 

Always been happy with my Chinese cooler

 

They are much heavier than the forge unit too, I fitted one of these a while back on an R26, the welds are bad but it's decent for the price, when I bought a forge one for my old R26 about 4 years ago they were much cheaper than they are now!

 

I think there are a few variants of the cooler. Some are bar and plate , some tube and fin.

 

received the one i posted yesterday, not to sure how much larger it is than the standard one though

Intercooler by mattageaton, on Flickr

Welds by mattageaton, on Flickr

outlet was a bit dented, should be able to fix that though

Outlet bent by mattageaton, on Flickr

Does anybody know the standard intercooler dimensions?

 

I still disagree with that, there has never been any back to back independent testing of all the intercoolers, the only testing that springs to mind is from k-tec who catagorically said the forge was shit tbh! With temperatures still climbing at the red line on there test.

Data is the only thing that will prove it, i'm a scientist by trade so opinions without facts don't hold much water with me!

There's a fair few people with Chinese intercoolers who track it with no issues, loads of the french on the french forums run the re branded Chinese intercooler and Haomaru from mexico on here has had no issues and it gets damn hot in Mexico!

Even Paul at RStuning has said that the core is good and its a bargain!

 

Im not saying they wont work, just saying you pay for quality and superior performance

i had a pace 60mm intercooler, never ran higher than 2deg above ambient when driving hard on the road. At a 30deg ambient track day at snett last summer i think it peaked at 6deg above ambient

if the chinese cooler did that id eat my hat. So as i have said, it may be better than the standard unit but not on par with the proper coolers, plus its not exactly hard to be better than the std unit, that thing spikes 20odd under 1 gear of wot!