Please, pretty please help! Megane 225 clutch install nightmare!

This clutch install started last November, i think. First time i was supplied the wrong flywheel for the car, so that went tits up, couldn't get a gear!
Took box off again, fitted new flywheel, new slave cylinder, clutch etc, the bloody slave cylinder burst spewing it's guts during bleeding! So, whole lot off again, fitted new clutch again, can't get a bloody gear again, this is unbelievable and is breaking my heart!
Front of the car jacked up, start car, all gears select all the way up the box, put car on deck, can't get a gear???
All that happens is putting forward pressure on the gearstick and the car creeps forward, that's it!
What in the hell is wrong with this bloody clutch, it's a nightmare. I've been so careful all through this install, i'm not getting it.
When i put wrong flywheel in, with car running front wheels up wheels would spin really quick in neutral, it's not doing that now with correct flywheel, so i thought i had cracked it!
Only miraculously odd thing i can remember happening, was second time i dropped box something was stopping it, one of the gear cables had clicked back on and maybe stretched as i was bringing box down? It takes a fair bit of pressure to click it on, but it went on itself, twice i think that happened, made me chuckle.

 

Also slave cylinder is fully pushing clutch plate fingers flat, clutch pedal feel is good, first inch and a half no feel then perfect from then on down.

 

So nobody has fitted a clutch to a Megane here? Ok, i'll try another forum.

 

The second photo you posted there showing the clutch friction plates from above, the ones on the right are what i have fitted.
All gears select perfectly with the engine off and all four wheels on the deck.
This is my big question though, why has 99% of the the people, and the research i done before the job tell me i did 'not' need a self adjusting clutch fitting tool, yet 'one' person told me categorically you 'can' t' fit an SAC without one?
I've read the fitting tool pretensions the pressure plate while fitting, what??? So, this pretensioning is 'AS WELL AS' the self adjusting mechanism being set out the box from Luk??
Why doesn't the renault service manual, the haynes manual, my local Renault tech, the guy i spoke to from Schaeffer(Luk uk) tell me this??

 

See if i had £1 for everytime someone has asked me that! "Is the clutch disc the right way round??" i'd be a very rich man!
Yes it's in the right way! :-)
I'd love to know what magical thing this self adjusting clutch fitting tool must do, that one person that told me not using the tool = non functioning clutch was so confident and cocky about it, he just said trust me, take the box off, use the tool and it would work!
But i never listened to him because he was the only person said it.

 

Well come and fit mine then! lol

 

Well, to make things even more confusing, this sac fitting tool which seemingly has the purpose, while fitting the clutch, of not upsetting the clutch adjustment mechanism that has been set prior, this guy on this video below compresses the clutch fingers on the pressure plate with the tool, then sets the auto adjusters?? Wtf!
Never seen that before, i haven't a clue what to do now.
To set the self adjusters you have to compress the clutch fingers, spin inner pressure plate around to compress the three green adjuster springs, then you release pressure on clutch fingers, this is what Luk do at the factory!
What the guy in this video is doing is basically undoing this procedure, then doing it again whole installing?

 

Cars been off the road now for 5 months with this, it's my daily driver!
I'm just getting conflicting stories everywhere regarding whether i use the tool or not, renault service manual says no, Haynes says you don't need it, local Renault dealer says no, well why in the hell have i done it twice without the tool and i can't get a gear?
I followed the renault service manual procedure exactly!

 

I called my local renault dealer before i set out on this saga, the tech from there told me you don't need the fitting tool.
Then i just called a less local renault dealer and they said you definetly need the tool, oh joy.

 

Does a 1.9 megane dci mk2 clutch kit (plate and friction disc) fit my 2005 rs225?

 

Euro car parts have the same part number for a 2005 1.9 dci and a 2005 rs225! 637746170, slave cylinders are different though.

 

I shouldn't have clicked that, what is this???Looks nothing like one i originally took off, or indeed the one i put on! :-)
http://www.catcar.info/renault/?l=c...pbWc9PXx8Z3JwX2lkPT0yMHx8c3ViR3JwX2lkPT0yMEE=

 

Ah ok, so part numbers 'are' the same then, i just happened to get a 1.9 dci one cheaper, plus i was told they were the same, so that's why i fitted it. Plus nailing down 'exact' 225 stuff on Ebay is difficult!
Interestingly guy from midlands renault told me yesterday told me the pressure plates are not the same!!
I just seem to get so much conflicting information!
One renault dealer says one thing, one says another, one service manual says don't do this, someone on a forum says do it.! So, at the moment i have a 225 sitting with the correct clutch and flywheel in it, the adjusters were set by Luk out of the box and i can't get a gear!
So, with that information it seems to come back to a question i asked earlier, does the inch and a half or so free travel i have at the too of the clutch pedal 'really' making the difference between getting a gear or not?
Are the clutches that fussy? Pedal feels great, you wouldn't be aware of the slight delay in pedal feel if i got anyone on here to try it!
You would have to 'really' be paying attention.

 

Yep, just jumps forwards. The slave cylinders is pushing the pressure plate fingers.
Only reason i wasn't two concerned about this freeplay is that i've read stories of renault dealers sending their customer away after a clutch install with a crap pedal feel saying, it's ok Love, just drive it and it will improve, and it has! :-)
If it was 'thinking' about going into gear i'd feel a bit better it just needs a slight bleed, but the gearsticks solid! with the clutch pressed.

 

Yes i know they come pretensioned. When you say i was 'mucking about' with first clutch i had in this, i was merely setting the adjustment springs as they 'weren' t' set! The clutch must have got a bump in transit.So i had to set it up before installing!
The self adjust clutch fitting tool(the large three pronged jobbie) i've seen described by a seller
has one purpose, and that is to install the 'preset' pressure plate without disturbing the preset!(but the video i inserted above was a first, he sets the preset 'on' the car??
I actually went to the extent of buying a complete new again to rule out a faulty clutch kit, which is what i have installed just now.
So currently correct flywheel and correctly preset by Luk clutch are installed, but can't get a gear!

 

Yes i tightened al the bolts quarter turn at a time, one at a time opposite each other moving around the plate, then torqued to correct value.
Your the second person that's asked if i looked at the fingers moving while tightened the bolts, i didn't notice that, wasn't paying attention,sorry.
I'm going to reverse bleed it tomorrow, tends to shift air better.

 

Done.

 

Well that never made a difference, i didn't think it would, i know this car too well!! :-)
This is really doing my head in! Do i really want to take this gearbox off again if i have the correct flywheel and correctly set clutch kit on it?
Slave cylinder, to me is definetly pushing the clutch fingers flat enough to do something!

 

The people on here who say they installed the clutch without the tool in my video above has really thrown me through a loop and confused me, two Renault dealers and Luk have now mentioned this to me you have to use one, well one dealer said yes, another no!?
Guy from Midlands Renault says he doesn't use one.
I'm dying to get this car on the road again, and for those suggesting you shoukd have taken it to a garage, they weren't interested, even my local 'Renault specialist' hadn't done one and wasn't keen.

 

I've still to reverse bleed the clutch to get rid of slight play at top of pedal. Flywheel, plate, disc, slave cylinder are all new, in fact i've renewed the slave cylinder everytime i've had the box off,just to know it's bang on.
I'm glad to hear this special tool isn't needed, that makes me think there's still air trapped in the line, incidentally, whole of my clutch line is new too, even new master.

 

Well that was interesting, another hour of my life wasted. Reverse bled it, put a whole litre of fluid through it. During this procedure i just had one side of the car lifted, so one front wheel(fwd) on the ground. Fired car up, brilliant, it slotted into gear!
Excitedly put all four wheels back on the deck again, fired car up,back to no gears as usual, and, interestingly the pedal now has more play in it than before, fantastic!

 

I just read an online technical car data site which i've subscribed to,and it has a 'technical service bulletin' section for the rs225,out of curiousity i clicked on it,and strangely enough first thing that showed was a heading entitled'inability to disengage clutch and engage gears'and guess what the 'only' solution it had to this was?,grease the input shaft splines???But the feckin Renault service manual i had said to specifically 'not' grease the bloody shaft!!
i'm going to be extremely pissed off if once again the service manually has spoon fed me bollocks!!