250 KTR Induction and RS Tuning custom map - What gains have you had?

Discussion in 'Mechanical - Engine, Gearbox, Exhaust etc' started by TheAdWrighty, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. Hello,

    I'm a happy owner of a 250 cup and i'm considering treating myself (and the car) to some slight power upgrades.

    My first question is regarding the KTR(Or other brand) Induction kit, I've read many different sites with widely varying views on the actual increase in power, if not decrease, as the OEM setup is so good. Do any of these induction kits actually have a power gain or are they just an expensive noise maker?

    After this I'd like a RS Tuning custom map, nothing but good reviews on RS, not fancying an off the shelf map as I want longevity more than cheapness(No knocking, lean running). With this map and the added induction kit will the engine make more power gains, or even be possible of a smoother map? Personally I would like between 300-310bhp as an end figure, I'm not interested in going any higher.

    The question I suppose is quite simple:
    -Does the induction kit give any gain on a standard car?
    -Will the kit give better and smoother gains under a custom map if so how much?

    I've searched a huge amount but not found these together with an any figures or peoples experiences.

    Thanks all!

    TheAdWrighty
     
  2. Induction kit give very small gains on stock car.But on a map car there is a gain of 5 to 8 bhp and up to 12 if you are running hybrid.
    The car will not be any smoother running induction kit.
     
  3. Mostly just noise, on a standard map the car doesn't really make use of it. Even with the map maybe 7/8ish extra horse power, I have always just used a panel filter as the original intake is so well designed.
     
  4. I have the ktec induction kit on my 250 and it does pull a little better. Although i think it would benefit from a map to really get the most out of it.
     
  5. Thanks for the quick responses!

    I'm not too bothered about the noise, I just put the seats down for some extra noise! Plus a mid box delete is on the cards for some extra pops.

    Which panel filter have you used? I'm guessing the gain on the map might be 2-3bhp with panel filter?
     
  6. I have a piperx panel in. Little bit extra noise and car sits cooler in traffic. Either way both options are better than the stock filter.
     
  7. Save yourself £250 by not bothering with an induction kit and putting the money towards your Remap.

    I have emailed every company that makes induction kits for the MK3 Megane RS asking for proof of gains, none have been able to provide me with any which indicates to me that they are just very expensive noisemakers.

    You should easily make 300 BHP with a map from RS-Tuning.
     
  8. Bumblebee, you've done the leg work for me then! I'm very much about proven figures and everywhere you look cannot confirm the gains they promise, seems a bit of a con to me.

    Ill save the £200, buy a panel filter and get the custom map!

    What temp increases have people had with the remap?
    I don't know how accurate the RS monitor is but going from that my car sits between 93-103 oil temp on the motorway cruising. This to me seems high but the needle itself doesn't move anything over half way.
     
  9. Paul at RS tuning told me a few weeks ago that they tend to make a bit more power with induction when mapped. Mines an R26 though not a 250/265.
     
  10. -Jamie-

    -Jamie- RSM Moderator

    I have the Injen CAI, Probably makes zero difference but it sounds incredible with a blanking plate.

    Might make more of a difference when you start running proper power, IE Hybrids etc.
     
  11. Has anybody had a look at the ITG induction kit on KTEC website? It looks like a genuine cold air kit, the first I've seen on a 250. By the looks of it, it seems a big job with taking the bumper off to install.

    Surely with the location of this being so low you could get water issues? Large puddles or floods?
     
  12. KTR offer this as their performance pack. I had it done along with new exhaust and the gains were huge. Ran 6500 (ish) miles since having the work done and it's been a dream
     
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  13. -Jamie-

    -Jamie- RSM Moderator

    if it is similar to the Injen then yes, Deep puddles and standing water will be an issue. I almost killed my engine this year and it required a strip down due to water ingestion. Mine will be getting modified when it gets a hybrid so it sits in the bay. The large FMIC i have waiting to go on will solve any IAT temp issues.
     
  14. I had stage one at ktr awesome smooth pulls hard above 4k and temp not altered even on track
     
  15. Morning I did the RS Tuning route Turbo back exhaust sports CAT, induction kit, intercooler and custom map turning out 306 bhp all usable very smooth delivery. I have had a few years ago a generic plug in remap and that was brutal seemed like the boost was too high. Whatever you do get the custom remap totally worth it. In hindsight if you are happy with the noise of theOEM exhaust just a remap and a better filter which is what many people on here say. Should get 285-300 possibly with that alone


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  16. Hello :-) I had my RS250 at RS Tuning towards the end of last summer. Stock it made 264bhp / 280lbs. With the map it made 300 / 348 and has run like a dream since then, highly recommended. Michelin Cup 2 tyres recently added help with traction issues on straight line acceleration in 2nd due to the extra torque (non cup sadly)
     
  17. Genuine question: Is this discussion (along with most others relating to peak power output in this forum) claimed flywheel power?

    If so, why? Considering that you wouldn't accurately know unless you put your engine on an engine dyno as opposed to a chassis dyno. Why not use the measure at the point of measurement? The tyres.
     
  18. Because the flywheel numbers are bigger?
     
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  19. it's because people understand flywheel figures in relation to factory quoted numbers. it's a ballache. I have a mustang awd dyno that reads at the wheels. the only proper reading for a chassis dyno. anything at the flywheel is clever calculations assumptions and estimates through software etc. I have seen people massage brakes on run downs to bump people's figures on some dynos and as with anything like this it can be exploited. but I always look for whp reading. it's the closest dyno to dyno comparison there is.

    I also PMSL when I see a before and after run show 40-50hp increase but the drive train losses increases 20-30 hp from stock to modified dyno runs lol.

    net gain only 20-30hp in real terms lol

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