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Harness Install

Discussion in 'Track Days & Track Driving' started by Fandango, May 16, 2022.

  1. Hi all.

    Did my first track day in the Megane last week, and now want to install proper harnesses, as I only have the oe seatbelts at the moment. I have the Recaro seats, but still am being thrown around terribly. It is quite uncomfortable, and I am sure I am losing lap time just trying to cling on through the steering wheel. My arms are jelly after just a a few laps. This is on road tyres (Michelin PS4S), so would of course be worsened considerably on sticky tyres, which I intend to use at some point in the future.

    I am not keen on floor mounting the harnesses, as I think the load on the seat would be primarily downwards in the event of a big shunt, and could compromise the seat, if that makes sense. Has anyone simply secured these to a rear strut bar, or am I forced to buy a half cage to attach them to. Or is there another way to mount them?

    Cheers Carl
  2. Tbh, I would never mount harnesses in a car with reclining seats.
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  3. -Jamie-

    -Jamie- RSM Moderator

    The Recaros are fine to use with harness and are approved BY Recaro for this
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  4. And what about the harness mounting Alternatives to a half cage?
  5. You need to do your own due diligence to come up with your own arrangement (one that you are happy with) and without doubt a half cage would be the ideal.

    In my case I didn't want to go the half cage way, plus I didn't like the commercially available UK item/arrangement which has a horizontal bar secured by the existing top and bottom seat belt bolts - large sleeve right near your helmet doesn't seem too clever.

    So I went for a custom harness bar fitted to the car using 4 x 16mm (10.9) bolts screwed into the rear seat fixing points (reinforced points close to main chassis cross beam). Clearly I removed the rear seats as the car is not a daily. I found this fixing arrangement better than the others I've seen where a bar is secured using either the luggage tie-down securing points (only 2x12mm?) or the Trophy RS luggage bar fixing points (only 2x14mm?).

    I've attached a couple of photos - points worthy of note
    1. high strength roll cage tubing was used (cold rolled seamless tube)
    2. all TIG welded & reinforced feet
    3. approved harness eye bolts screwed into sockets which are welded on both sides
    4. height kept to the minimum but still providing the allowed max angle of -20 degrees as required for HANS device (HANS is as important as a helmet in my opinion)
    5. made a wooden jig to ensure foot flanges would fit perfectly

    Also importantly I went for a specific 4 point harness which would remove risk of submarining - the only manufacturer I found that could do this for a 4 point harness was Schroth.
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    I was comfortable with my harness bar design and fabrication but do not warrant it suitable for you/others - do your own research/calcs to make sure you are happy with whatever arrangement you come up with.
  6. -Jamie-

    -Jamie- RSM Moderator

    Gonna be some leverage on that bar in a shunt
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  7. Thanks for the input everyone. I had a good look at yours Zoto, my thoughts are towards more triangular bracing. I have a tame fabricator to hand though, so will post up his result.

    Must get on with this now, got Donington booked 03rd August!

    Cheers Megane.jpg
  8. Originally I was going to include a back stay, but considered the current design adequate, based on:

    There will be a moment transferred to the foot but it is reduced by around half as the bar is NOT orientated in a vertical plane, but in fact more like around 45 degrees. Also the ribs on the feet will assist in strengthening this interface and all TIG welded.

    The M16 bolts x 4 are good for a total of around 200kN, which equates to 20 tonnes - so for a 100g crash it should hold 100kg, when considering the 45deg orientation, etc. Hopefully the chassis metal work around the seat fixing points will hold??

    The 44.5mm CDM tube with 2 point load, 100g crash and my 80kg weight has a safety factor of 1.1. Also I would expect the Schroth anti-submarining harness "stitching" would have released before this, so the safety factor would be considerably greater, as peak transient load is reduced. The stitching release acts like a shear pin.

    So hopefully all good. Also I'd rather have this arrangement with a HANS device and Schroth 4 point harness then driving around with just a 3 point lap/sash belt. But without doubt a half cage would be fantastic.
  9. Also forgot to mention that the threaded sockets welded into the tube for the harness loading points would further increase safety factor on the 2 point load stress calc; equates to almost a solid 44.5 tube! I suppose that's why MSA requires their specific design.

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