Hey guys ive had a little look thru the forum and I don't see any project mk2's with Nitrous fitted , is there a reason for this, is the engine/turbo not upto the job in standard form, you see alot of other forced induction cars with Nitrous projects , so I thought I would post it out there and see if there are any reasons why mechanically its not done, please note I am not interested in a personal debate about your preferences or tastes, just based on the cars abilty to have it done or not.
Nitrous is normally used to help spool a HUGE turbo. The Meg doesnt have a huge turbo so its not really needed. It also helps keep temps down as it acts a bit like a cooling fluid. Again , not really needed in the spec that we run
the Meg has an engine made from cheese so any more than stage 1 and your pushing your luck without spending money on forging etc.
I dont agree with that at all. Stage1 tells us nothing. Some people have been running bigger power than others for a while now without anything grenading
and cheers andy also, ok guys I was only interested in the reasons why and has suspicions the standard engine was not upto the job, I had a spare Nitrous and water/meth kit from my old jaguar sitting about doing nothing so thought I would ask, many thanks ...
Not up to the job, there is a group of us that do around 12 track days a year, mostly running 285bhp and 300 lbs, they all go hard at it I can assure you one has done over 60 hard hard track days and still going very strong, mine is tame in comparison with only stage 1 260 bhp and 270 lbs
Also like to add that one of which when on track very rarely gets over taken by anything and I mean anything
Steve I think you have missed the point mate, this thread is about Nitrous projects and NOT REMAPPING and modding, I was just interested in why I have not seen any Nitrous projects and asking advice on the reasons why, I was not asking about how wonderful your car or anyone elses is on a track mate.
Jeez tell you what remove the thread lol , I will ring the experts instead rstuning/wizardsofNos in the morning and that way I wont upset any sensitive rs owners on asking advice why I don't see any Nos Projects.
steve once there was no-one on the moon, but luckily some-one bothered to ask the question why lol , so I was just innocently asking why as I see no projects and thought I would post here for the reasons why matey, was not looking to argue or getting anyone uptight )) , once I ring rstuning and wizards I will post again as why not, he who dares n all stevo he who dares. on a serious note mate I love your car , hope to see you at a track next year sometime
Would be interested to see what RST + WON say. I think it might be similar to what I alluded to. I think it would be a ballache to do as well. I doubt the standard ECU could do it ?
NOS is one of the safest ways of getting more power out an engine IIRC you don't need the ECU to do it, Thats what the controllers for
Fair point , the controller just works out the throttle position and injects as needed. If its drive by wire ( not cable ) could it do the same ? I bet the ECU would have a right wobble ! Wheres all this cold stuff come from ...
My knowledge on it isn't the greatest, My only experience is a mates MK5 Fiesta ZS that was running a 50 shot IIRC, I almost bought the kit for my MK7 Fiesta when he sold up but went down the route of Buckets/Harness/Less weight instead
In fairness, in my car forum experience I've not seen many nitrous installs at all. I keep hearing grumblings about engines blowing up or fills being expensive, but no real projects. It'd be good to see some.
If you look around you can get fill's cheaper, Think it was under 50 quid to get my mates filled, Was a medium sized tank IIRC, I would put money on those grumbling about engines going pop are down to poorly installed or setup systems tbh
Jame I agree I had a Nos sytem on my old jaguar s-type R which boosted the already 400bhp to 450-500 depending on what jets i decided to use that day, it was only for fun and a few days a year at santa pod rwyb , when I sold that car I kept the kit and also have a meth/water injection kit too for more ignition and cooling, the reason for the post was just to see why I have not seen any projects on this subject, and it interested me seeing as many other forced induction units get nos done no problem, anyway I should know better and will contact rstuning in the morning to see any problems and also wizards of nos to see how much to convert the jaguar kit/jets and piping to the megane if at all possible, what a lot of people don't realise is that nos has become very sophisticated in the last few years with amazing progressive controllers and safety cut-out features.
A lot of people don't even understand NOS, They just think you hit a button on the steering wheel and blue flames come out the exhaust like in the movies LOL.
fills cost between £50-60 for 11lb bottle , not expensive at all for a days fun at the pod mate. as for engines blowing smegal that's why I am on here asking lol, but hey by tomorrow I will hopefully put this to bed ..
I look forward to hearing. It probably won't cause any more issues than running more boost, unless it gives mega torque.
not disputing that some cars do run higher without issue, but the majority of cars that have gone bang have been stg2. Steve you know of a few engines that have gone bang on track too.
again guys this is not about re-mapping and mods that use the cars power at all times, this thread is about Nos and this is a very different beast altogether, one of the main differences is that the nos system only uses all that power on a 10-15 second basis and not for 5-12 minutes at a time as on a track and also multiple laps.
What I am really trying to find out here and express is that Nos and remapping/modding stress the car very differently, where as the engine can only go safely say at 350bhp with remap and mod for constant track day use, Nos may be able to be used for 450bhp safely for 10-15 secs at a time. Once I have contacted the guys at rstuning and at WON I will post here if it is at all conceivable and safe from an engine/gearbox point of view...
I'm sure their answer will be no, the amount of torque that a 50 or 100 shot of nos will produce will have the rods making an appearance through the block in no time. If 300ftlb is the safe limit, your going to get well past this! with normal running even with a stage 2 you will not be near peak torque all the time, push the torque with a map and they don't last long. Think about undoing a wheel not, pull steady and it takes a lot more effort to get it undone give it a swift pull/yank it comes loose.
Cheers boardy for the comment and all very relevant , I am sure the answer will be a big NO too mate, but hey if you don't ask the questions you don't get the answers lol, I really bought the car for abit of trackday use and still have a jag for the odd day santa pod use, just a shame as I have the kit here doing nothing and I thought it would be a laugh to take the megane up there a few times, lets hope we are both wrong, but as you say I doubt it, thanks for all your replies guys.......................
Very true mate, I'm sure you would stand a better chance with a forged lump but I suspect the next port of call would be the box, as Andy said it will soon find the weak spots!
I guess its less sustained than mapping so could be better. I'd go up the jet sizes gradually though and probably test it on a dyno to make sure you're not seeing mega torque.
Latest update on this thread = Well ive been chatting to andy from rstuning and I have been very surprised at the results of our chat, very surprised, also it seems andy holds the FWD record at the pod ,so who better to ask and glean all the information I need on install and tuning of my spare kit, before I write up the very interesting results I am waiting on WON for the cost to adapt my Jaguar Nos system to the megane, just piping, new progressive controller and jets etc. writeup soon ....Just a quickie what I have leanrt is that people with there cars mapped already (non forged engines) or 100% track guys , this will NOT be of interest......
Specky. Andy is specky. No one knows him as Andy He has a spritly tigra , and built a slightly modifed Corsa . .
