Speaker upgrade

The Hertz speakers in your link will need some sort of bezel fabricating as they are a bit small for the holes in the dash and will just fall straight through . You'll also need to get some wire tail adapters if you don’t want to cut the plugs off the loom and crimp your own terminals on - I used these

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-...735124?hash=item2846654a54:g:4M4AAOSwATpdvgbn

I sent the Hertz back and got some Pioneer TS-A133CI that came with surface mount bezels for the tweeters that fitted OK behind the grilles in the dash with a bit of double sided tape. However, they do come with a crossover that needed connecting in line to protect the tweeter but it’s quite small and I found it fitted nicely behind the side panels of the dash. The crossover is just a high pass filter so the mid bass speakers are fine connected directly to the amp but will obviously need some adapter rings.

The Pioneer amp is worthwhile, especially if you like to turn it up a bit, but tonally I can't say for sure if it’s an improvement. The high pass switches will come into there own when I get around to fitting the little Alpine SWE-815 subwoofer Ive bought to go in the boot as it will stop the door speakers having to work so hard.

My Cup-s had the Arkamys "upgrade" already but the above kit is still an improvement - not perfect (to my ex hi-fi dealer ears) but to go any further would get too involved on the installation side and start to cost too much.

 

Forgot to add the mid bass speakers in my car needed these tails rather than the ones for the tweeters.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Depending on the age of your car or perhaps even what Renault had lying around your car maybe different.

 

Performance wise they should be very good, although there is a strong family resemblance to their Hertz cousins I'm sure they will be voiced better.

I had a quick look at the spec sheet but there's no technical drawing so can't be sure they will fit.

The critical minimum dimension you need is ~40mm for the lip of the tweeter bezel.

The pictures are of the Arkamys tweeters fitted originally in my car.

 

Just found a drawing in the owners manual. The AP1 tweeter should fit well.

44mm overall width with a back housing width of 38.5mm

The crossover is only 20mm thick so should fit well cable tied behind the side cheeks of the dash.

This of course assumes Renault never changed any of this between the 250 and the 275

 

Have the Audison speakers lifted the sound image up? The one disappointment with my Pioneer speakers is that the crossover point is at 8kHz, meaning most of the sound is still perceived to come from the doors.

I noticed that your Audisons cross at a more useful 3kHz(ish) to the tweeters, so theoretically should lift the sound up.

For underseat sub I'd suggest a Focal IBUS20. I had one previously in a different car that worked well - tight and reasonably articulate. I couldn't use it in the Megane because it has Recaro's so went for a little boot mounted Alpine.

 

I wish I'd found those Audison speakers before the Pioneers. They are the only components that use a simple high pass filter and cross at 3k. There are loads of really nice components around but they require a more complex wiring scheme to the crossover box and running wires to the doors. Way too much hassle.

That Hertz is a very different animal to a "fit and forget" active underseat sub. Will it fit under the seat in a box big enough to make it work? I did build an underseat box for a Panda 100HP but struggled to get enough internal box volume and that was using a low profile 8in Pioneer!

These days ripping out OEM head units is only for the really committed SQ crowd - most of the time they just leave it in and use DSP processors to improve things even though this really isn't the correct hifi ethos (garbage in garbage out). But it just isn't practical most of the time and usually looks like a dogs dinner.

 

I've never had anything custom made so I'm not sure of the cost involved. I've only made a couple of boxes and just followed manufacturers recommendations regarding box volume, followed tips on line regarding construction and went for sealed boxes for design simplicity. This was when I had the time and inclination for such things .

Theoretically a sealed box gives a flatter, deeper and more accurate response whilst a reflex port will be louder at and around the point the port is tuned for at the expense of the very lowest frequencies. In practice it just sounds like the ported box is louder, mainly I think because there are so many complex interactions going on inside the cabin that there are probably dips and peaks all over the place that have a greater effect. My advice would be to go for a correctly tuned reflex box and experiment with blocking the port turning it into a sealed box and see what you prefer.

 

For a revival, did you re-use original car cabling? what did you do with the crossover that came with the speakers? Or is there anybody who knows what cabling that comes from the head unit that can be used to supply the amp or the crossover?
Don't mind putting in some wiring, just can't find a wiring diagram... I'm not planning on changing the head unit since it had the navigation and the RS monitor in it... (car is a 275 CUP-S with Arkamsys).
Thx!

 

I used the original car speaker wiring. I just fished cables through from the crossover units I placed in the side of the dashboard to the original connectors.

 

Would it sound better if the fronts were changed from 5.25 to 6.5 inch speakers.

 

With all else equal, yes it would. You would need to make your own adapter rings and there is no guarantee you wouldn't run into clearance issues.
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Nick, did you install those speakers to your car? Is it like plug and play?

Cheers

 

Thanks, i've been struggling to find speakers wich are easy to install, so maybe i try with these!

 

Do these fit in where the tweeters should be mine doesn’t have any in..


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Are they easy to fit, do they make much difference?


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I'm wondering do you guys have any clue what is the maximum mounting depth for speakers to front doors. I could get Hertz speakers for solid price, but mounting depth is 7cm. Does anyone you know would it fit straight or even with spacers?

Cheers

 

Thank you a lot!!

Speakers are Hertz MLK165.3, if i get those, i will also add amplifier there. I'm allready having Alpine player, and it made huge difference to sound guality with oem speakers, but there isin't allmost any low frequency.

 

I lifted my tweeter grill up and there isn’t any but there is a plug connector. Does that mean I can just plug a tweeter in and it will work.

 

It will, but make sure the tweeters you buy have some sort of high pass filter to prevent them being blown up.

 

Any ideas best way to connect to this.

 

The tails I linked to at the top of this thread should do the trick.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175092620107

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Clio-MK2-Speaker-Adaptor-Adapter-Plug-Leads-Cable-Connector-Connection-/263327819996?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0

 

Thanks guys. If you buy a set of component speakers and it comes with the crossover box do you use it or use the oem wiring.

 

You need to plug the OEM wiring into the crossover first, which presents a difficulty if the crossover requires both the tweeter and mid/bass speaker to be connected to it because that means you would have to run a wire either into or out of the door depending upon where you choose to locate that type of crossover.

An easier approach is to look for a component speaker system that only needs the tweeter connecting via the "crossover" (it's actually a high pass filter). That means you connect the OEM wiring directly to the door speaker and the tweeter via the filters that can be hidden away in the dash.

The Audison's Ahmed918 has are probably the best speakers you could get that use the simpler wiring scheme, or for less money there are the Pioneer's I have and the Alpine SPR-50C's look like a promising option budget wise somewhere between.

Edited to add that nearly all after market speakers are not going to go as loud for the given input power, so will work a lot better with more power provided by a separate amplifier.

 

Which do you think is the better speaker. Audison prima apk165 or alpine r-s65c.2

alpine looks like the tweeter may be a better fit size wise

 

If i was doing mine from scratch again i would get the renault focal kit