New Megane Racing Series

interesting, however not a lot of info, no track mentionned no calendar, like you said looks like it is put together by a bunch of boy racers.

 

Have you signed up?

I'm not surprised that there isn't much interest on here. Racing is expensive. Over on Cliosport.net, there are thousands of members, but only a tiny proportion of them race. Given that this forum is smaller, the number of people who race is likely to be smaller. In my experience, the racing fraternity often don't interact all that much with the modified car fraternity. I wouldn't judge the series based on a thread on one forum, but on how many people actually sign up to it when it goes live.

 

You should sign up, and show us all how its done

 

he would need a car first, google wont help him on the start line.

 

I await seeing your name on the timing sheets Rob.

 

A Hyundai would win easily

 

While the website might be a bit vague, PR is equally as important to generate interest. Blinding people with science from the off might put people off.

What's your background? You seem to be an expert on both vehicle engineering and motorsport management. Perhaps if you explained, you might get a bit less stick.

 

I had a very interesting discussion this week with a guy who runs a very well known media outlet/forum about this very topic. You seem to enjoy telling people whether they are right or wrong. While you are quite right, this isn't LinkedIn, I was merely suggesting that such a heavily critical approach is always going to attract the kind of ridicule you receive, unless you can demonstrate some kind of authority on the subject. Your unwillingness to tell people what field you work in, or even what kind of car you drive only reduces your credibility further. If you have quality content to contribute, I'm all for it. I love a good debate as much as the next man, but you do yourself zero favours.

As for the CAE/spoiler point; whether they are useless or not is an irrelevance. These types of series often try and attract those who are looking to move on from track days to racing. They might have those parts fitted already. If you tell someone they can't have a particular factory fit spoiler and they have to "downgrade" their car, you are likely to push potential customers away. As I said, it's PR as much as anything.

 

I wouldn't race a Megane personally, far too likely to cost an absolute fortune over a season due to power,weight, performance level type stuff that generally seems to scale costs much more than donor car purchase cost. Keeping a turbo car to 250 Bhp seems a bit difficult and in general race organisers hate policing turbo cars as its just far too easy to cheat (hidden switchable maps etc., jammed shut wastegates, high octane fuel for qualifying, even dry ice in the wastegate trick back in the old Porsche Turbo cup days).

The thing that has got me interested and could see my return to racing is this new C1 endurance series which includes a 24h race at Spa, I have been asking around about it but thus far only know 1 guy who is doing it but is already committed to a little team of guys. Apparently they have sold 41 kits already so on a 60% turnout expectation should be seeing 24+ cars per weekend.

 

Btw the same friend who is doing C1 used to be one of the CSCC organisers, it will be interesting to see which organising club this new series goes under, seems to have a big impact on race entry fees. It was one of the things that made Porsche Club expensive as they have to buy their track time off the race organising clubs who rent the tracks such as MGCC etc. obviously less control if under someone else's umbrella but it seems to lower costs and of course produces a sorted calendar.

Sorry if my previous post was a bit negative, I wish them all the luck in the world, these are great cars and currently dirt cheap to buy.

 

C1 racing sounds ace!

 

Easy to slag off someone trying to generate and gauge interest in a new series, good or bad, it's easy to just jump on the keyboard again like you know what your talking about, which seems to come from google, it's pretty obvious you are so jealous of people who can afford to track cars and lay out for some mods, I certainly couldn't give a toss what you think, and judging by the response you get, most other people couldn't either, but keep fishing for bites, seems to be all you are after. Still seem very unwilling to disclose anything which just makes your obnoxious comments carry even less weight. Funny to keep reading the shit you come out with though, keep it up sausage

 

I know we like to have a dig at you Aerofoil but the two brothers who started PumaCup pretty much followed this formula, well because it is really the only workable formula for getting a tintop based race series off the ground. They even did stuff like stick to the rubbish original Ford brake layout of undersized front disks and rear drums. One difference they did though from memory is to use a standard Bluefin remap ISTR so that they could check and/or reflash cars trackside in case anyone was tempted to put their own cheeky remap in there. Going with CSCC was pretty much a necessity for them because they can mix you in with the other grids if you don't get enough cars out to cover the costs of your own slots on the race days, it takes big balls and deep pockets to take that risk. As an example I was one of 26 drivers who signed up for the PorscheCup, they only once got over 10 cars out and the series folded half way through its first season.

 

Just out of interest Aerofoil, what car do you drive at the moment?

 

I dont have one.

Just curious as to what car you own?

 

he doesn't own a car mate, wasting your time asking.

 

I did wonder if that was the case.

 

Why did you quote my post? I don't particularly see what any of the above has to do with what I said?

 

just fishing for a bite mate, only reason he posts anything.

 

better off trying something that is already established.. how about trackattack race club's Tricolore trophy?

https://www.trackattackraceclub.com/pages/season-overview.php?season_id=47

Classes are for N/a but class G is invitation and I am sure the club organiser Steve Vince would welcome a flock of meganes and even create a class going forward.

 

CSCC also have a new series they started last year I believe which now includes a class for 2 litre turbo tin tops:
http://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/?q=New Millennium

 

I take your point, but it's also about balance. If you take the aforementioned mentioned Tricolor Trophy, the top class allows diffs. Some will run gripper, others Quaife. Yes, the gripper is arguably better, but the disparity in driving skill will be way more important than that.

As for the CAE/spoiler argument; as you rightly point out, they are worth pretty much zero in performance terms but, by allowing them, you increase inclusiveness without really giving away an unfair advantage to anyone. The point I'm trying to get across is that it's important to balance simplicity, inclusiveness, cost and performance.

The track day market, as much as you seem to enjoy slating them, are a great potential market. Alienating them because they have the wrong spoiler, even if it makes no performance difference, doesn't seem very smart.

Shame you ignored my first point though. You seem to speak with authority, it's a shame you act so secretive. As I say, it does you no favours.

 

Once again, I see what you are saying, but this series doesn't appear to be trying to emulate the TT from what I can see. Based on the limited information available thus far, it looks to be quite tightly controlled. Power is capped, along with engine modifications. Suspension changes are severely limited, as are brakes and transmission. Looking back at it, the spoiler that so bothered you; the wording suggests as much as anything that, if someone starts with an R26.R, they won't have to remove the spoiler. What's the harm in that? Did they need to mention so early on? Perhaps not, but hardly a massive issue. In your earlier posts, you were claiming that a CAE was pointless, but now it could shave tenths off on each lap? Mr. Consistency there...

I understand that it's competitive, I understand that a perceived lack of regulatory parity will get people's backs up but, you can make the regs as strict as you like, budget will still find a way to shine through. It might even be as simple as that some people can afford to replace tyres every ten minutes, while others use them for three meetings. Motorsport is often about who can subtly screw over the regulations without getting caught. You will never stop that. Not ever. As I said, the ability of each driver is likely to make far more difference to who wins than the difference in lap time between a car with a Renault diff or a Gripper one.

On the track day argument; yes it's a big step to move from track days to racing but plenty of people do it. The leap from a well-prepared track car to a race car is not very big at all. Safety gear can be had at a decent price if you buy wisely too. The event costs are high in comparison to track days but, let's face it, there are plenty of people out there with the disposable income.

As far as I can see, someone has put a bit of PR out there to try and generate some interest in a new series. What is naive about it? You (as with most of your posts on here it seems) are immediately trying to shoot it down. Do you know who is organising it? Do you know what club is running it? What experience do you have of organising championships? You seem to keep dodging questions about what you actually do that gives you such valid opinions. I only know about this what I have seen from the link, so I'm not going to make rash judgments about those behind it, at least until more information becomes available. Motorsport is a tough game but, if they can make a go of it, then good luck to them.

 

its not something i would enter, my weekends are spent watching my 2 lads play football nowadays, but hats off to anyone trying to sort a series out for like minded enthusiasts who have the time/money to compete, i'm happy fiddling with my car for trackdays, a few mods which make it feel nicer, stop a bit faster, look nicer, all the things our troll loves to slate, hope he ignores my post again, seems to be having a few jealousy/anger issues......lol

 

just to fill you all in, the troll knows its a friend of mine who has put the race series out there, he also knows a few of the mods i've got on my car, so hence all the fishing for bites, sad but true.

 

I doubt he's ever understood the concept of friendship.