265 Heel-toe braking

Wear bigger shoes !!! The gap is a little bigger than ideal but still works for me.

While I bleep on downshifts, with a big gap between road and engine speed I don't tend to do it under braking anymore as I'd rather have my entire foot on the brake pedal.

 

I can do it, but, as I blip the throttle pedal I also unavoidably press a bit harder on the brake pedal resulting in a jerky braking action, Sooooo, I don't bother.

 

So not just me then.....easy job, just mounted an aftermarket pedal on some plastic washers

 

There are a few superb racing drivers out there.
Some won FI championships in the 'bad' old days of manual boxes and errr clutches!!

They never brake changed overlapped or heel and toed and WON RACES !!
Just balanced engine speed with road speed on down shifts single clutching.

So never found the need and followed suit.

Happy new year
Cheers Andy

 

The gas pedal module is held in with couple 10mm bolts, it slots in and out of its location, then disconnect the multipin. I used some plastic spacers to lift the new pedal away, took couple goes with different hight spacers before got it just right.

 

Not sure about "never". I have driven old single seaters where not heel toeing would make the rear end sufficiently unstable under braking to end up spinning when on the limit of friction, which would be embarrassing.

 

its an art that needs much time to master, H&T or rev matching is integral part, as is settling under braking, wheel discipline and throttle application, hustling and driving smoothly is quickest.

 

At first I had problems h&t-ing in the megane aswell, but I kept practicing and now it works perfect, don't even know anymore what the problem was at first, I have size 10-11 so can't actually put my heel on the accelerator.

I use half my toes for braking and the other for the accelerator, slightly under an angle.
The hardest part to get good at, is keeping consistant braking pressure when ur braking very hard.


Also practice first using only half ur toe's for braking, if you got this then try and brake and dab the accelerator, after this you practice to get the amount of dab right and the braking pressure consistent.

 

Yes there's different styles, some actually use h&t so toes on brake,heal on gas others do more of roll across the two pedals, shoe size and gap between pedals kind of decides which is best, also brake travel is factor as is gas pedal hight. I rev match on every gear change, tiny blips in traffic big stomp when pressing on, just habitat now don't actually know doing it, but suddenly realise when switching cars and my style suddenly doesn't work so well and have to adapt.

 

Iv had not problems heel toeING at all.
Best car iv had for doing this so far.

 

I'm quite good at heel & toe in my MINI, but it has quite a bit of dead travel on the brake and a bottom hinged throttle pedal, so perfect setup for it. I tried side-blipping in the Mégane, but it feels a little unsafe with just half my foot on the brake pedal.

 

You'll get used to it.

 

The other issue with the Megane is the height of the pedals

Ideally the accelerator should be lower, so you can blip it without needing to raise the heel of your foot

I'm wondering whether or not someone could make up some custom pedals, from the bolt back (so the arm and the pedal too)

 

I must be the odd one out, I heel toe with heel on brake as I'm more confident about staying on the brake pedal and producing smoother braking whilst then blipping the throttle with a flick of the toes. Also find the angle of my ankle is more comfortable.

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this is what i want to learn long long time ago. i guess theoretically heel on brake should give a more steady braking. but is the brake pedal too short for it? i have a brake pedal box (servo deleted but twin master cylinders) for my 205, the travel is very very firm and short so that is easy to perform heel and toe (toe on brake), but for megane.....

 

I have the r26, size 9 feet and can manage in most of shoes, the pedal travel is great as it gives a nice angle on your ankle when tilting and twisting so I find it a natural resting position. I now have to make an effort not to do it round town when I'm obviously not driving hard because it's become quite natural.

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I can't imagine braking with my heel and moving to the accelerator with toes... i think i'd whack the arm rather than the pedal! And i have small feet - size 7.

It's an interesting one. I can see how it would feel more natural pointing the feet out rather than in... but there is more control with the top of the feet and more sense of pressure as more nerve endings / thinner skin.

You should video it, would be worth a quick watch to see it in action

 

The answer might be to LFB

 

Heel braking? Try that on a car without ABS in the wet and tell me how that went

If it works for people, that's great, but there is a reason (as mentioned) people heel/toe the 'conventional' way.

I do struggle a bit with the Megane too, and might look into a different pedal arrangement, if I can't sort myself out.

LFB is a completely different topic really.

 

Real racing drivers can LFB and do double-clutch gear changes simultaneously

 

I don't think anyone's wanting to claim or become a race driver, but it's satisfying to be able to control the car how you want to

That's why there's still a desire for manual gearboxes. Yes, it's faster with the modern PDKs but there's an element of satisfaction in any car when you feel like you're on the optimum slip anggle, or balance the car from braking, through a corner, on the edge

Andy Walsh (ex F1 test driver, gave up after a very high speed crash) can actually tell you what degree slip angle a car is at. To be that 'in tune' with a car is very impressive.

But ultimately we're here to enjoy them, and H&T is enjoyable