Fast road front brake set up

So what pad is adviced for mostly road?
Ds2500 or are there better alternatives for less that work good from cold and don't destroy discs?

 

M1144. Just learn to press the pedal more gently at first than with the standard pads. I drive my R26 all year round although only when dry this time of year. My only question outstanding on these pads is for track work as I didn't manage to get on track this year.

 

I found 1144's squealed badly on my old 182 clio - put me off them unfortunately

 

I use PFC Z-rated at £110. I do 5/6 track days a year and they are superb. I changed them after 4 track days and 7,000 road miles but they would have easily done another 5,000 road miles. With no track mileage they'll easily do 25k miles. No discernable wear on discs yet, maybe half a mm at worst. But you need good fluid like RBF600 and plain discs ideally.

 

my last set of carbotech xp8`s would squeal and grind at low speeds on original cross drilled disks.
this set on blanks don't make any noise at all.

 

Where do you get those mate?

 

Here for instance somewhere down the page http://www.asptrading.co.uk/acatalo..._car_brake_pads__fast_road_applications_.html

They are rarely listed as Megane RS but usually for EVO 6-9 or some Scooby using the same caliper as our cars.

PFC ref is 1001-11. Fronts only, no rears available (OE or cheapo Brembo will do).

If you google "PFC 1001.11" they come up.

This is for MK3, not sure if available or compatible with MK2

 

K-tec do them.

 

Pricey through them

 

I am confused about power : are you saying you couldn't purposely trigger the ABS immediately at say 50mph prior to the change ? I certainly can on both PFC and oe pads even on semis and particularly this time of year. I am also confused about fade : do you live in a very hilly area ?

 

You’d have to kick it VERY aggressively to get abs immediate at 50mph with my oem pads

 

Same.

 

I have put a set of mk3 discs and calipers on my 225 along with carbon lorraine cl6's and i have never had any signs of any fading on track

 

I didn't realise how hard you were trying to cook them ! It makes sense that they gave up on that basis.

You seem to now have a good road set up that can also easily be managed on track, where your SS will overheat before your brakes anyway.

 

It wasn't that much work and cost believe me, standard 250/265 disc's a pair of 250 calipers (used) £90 to have some spacers made and the new holes drilled in the 250 disc's.

Nothing wrong with the DS1.11 pads, especially on standard HC disc's, did quite a few trackdays on that set up and never had a problem with fading, as for the squeaking, use them hard once in a while, with you on the dust but you don't get something for nothing

 

Thanks for the testing, this is quite worrying, on a track like Castle Combe that probably means 2 to 3 quick laps after a warm up lap which is a bit short but is manageable. Thruxton would probably get away with it as you only really brake twice per lap, one big stop and one like your test. Will be interesting to see how my car holds up at Silverstone on the GP circuit though, Stowe followed by the Vale tight left hander into club is two big stops after each other. Some seem to think its not a hard braking track but on my race car the brakes took more of a pounding there than just about anywhere else.

 

Yeah think to be fair they're advertised as fast road and light track use. For track pads you'll not get much for under 100.

I'm going mintex 1144 for my everyday megane again, civic track I use ferodo Ds or area motorsport pbs pads (brilliant pads)

 

I did a trackday at Castle combe with the mk3 set up and had no problem at all, one outing had a real mad attack with an S2000, i ended up doing about 25+ laps in total.

20 minutes in

 

blimey..matey in the s2000 was driving the wheels of it..fkn thing wagging its tail for England!
that thing couldn't have been standard..he seemed to have the legs on you on the straights.

 

Apparently it was very well sorted, nearly 300bhp by all accounts, i had to brake a bit earlier than him, could have passed it on the brakes but you are not allowed too, he was also slower in the corners than i could have been, yes he was on the ragged edge that is why i stayed back a bit.
I don't know what mine is running, but was told around 260bhp.
he was overtaken by an Ariel Atom and the driver said he did everything to keep him behind and when he did pass he said he could see that he was fuming.
Good fun though, my first time there.

 

Thanks for the vid, that is useful as your braking from pretty much the same places I do in the race car just holding on it for longer, in other words putting a lot of energy into the brakes. Your laps were around 1:25 or so which is really good on a track day, its quicker for example than most on the Porsche Club days where they are running around 1:30+ or so. That guy in the S2000 was holding you up by a couple of seconds a lap, his lines often way too shallow for RWD, you can see him all the time getting loose on corner exists where you are reeling him in. Funny because he was throwing it at the chicanes. I bet a good instructor could go 3 to 4 seconds a lap quicker in that S2000.

 

I was braking about 20-30 meters earlier than i would have done normally, his corner speed was slower as well i have some other vids and i think the quickest was around 1.18/1.19, that was my first time there as well.

My instructor was watching from the pit wall and when i got back in he shook my hand and said well done he enjoyed the show.

 

That doesn't surprise me, 1:18 is about as fast as my race car will go round there (lap record was 1:17.9 for my type/model of race car), slower down the straights then my R26 which has same power as yours but a touch quicker in the corners. So a well setup Meg should I think do 1:18.

Really amazes me how good these cars are for what are fully road useable reasonable money cars to run.

I bet you loved it mate. Driving really neatly and consistently which is a solid place to be, so well done there. I did similar back in 2009 up at Bedford with a load of other Porsches then made what I feel in hindsight was a mistake by diving straight into racing. It took me another 3 years and a pro coach to realise I had a race car that was always a total mess (all the right bits but none of it except brakes working right), destroyed my confidence and ending up going round in circles with my driving.

 

Be interesting to see what its like once i get the mk3 engine performing as it should.
Are you going to the Silverstone trackday ????

I really love this trackday thing, trying to get the lines right every time is worth the effort and being smooth, i got carried away at Abingdon track playing with a track prepped Z4, we were on it for around 45 minutes, knackering but fun.

I am to old to do racing now and i live so far from most tracks.

 

Intending to go yes, just need to book it up amongst other things next week. Mrs wants to book a holiday as well for just after that Silverstone day so its working out an expensive month for me at the moment.

I like Silverstone a lot but it is very weather sensitive. If its a bit damp and not very warm then the bit down around Stowe never seems to dry out properly and give grip, it can be perverse really, one moment like driving on ice with no grip then get round to the bit after the wing and the grip is mental good 1.5g stuff. Then go on a bit further round to Luffield and Woodcote could be like driving on ice again. Some people hate that others like the challenge.

 

Thanks for the heads up, will have to leave it to the last minute to work out what tyres to take then, was looking at the ring days with DN £3k is quite a bit to lay out in one go.

See you at Silverstone then, are you staying over night or do you live close and will drive there in the morning ?????

 

The greatest investment for faster driving and preserving your brakes and tyres is tuition.
I'm surprised (or maybe not) how many cars I see on track days that are quick on the straights and make a mess of the turns.
I see loads of drivers trying too hard and destroying brakes and tyres. Too much machismo no finesse.
I try to keep clear of them.

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Great advise there Grant, done quite a few track days now and usually get tuition on the new tracks i do.

Fast in a straight line and slow in corners that sounds like BMW's, Audi's and Asstra's

 

I can't say that there's a particular brand of car that has bad drivers, plenty of Renaultsport cars in the poor driver category.
Most instructors focus on smoothness and single input steering.
Driving this way feels slower because there's less drama. However, you end up being quicker and you can do more laps because the stress on tyres and brakes is reduced.

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True. I usually coast on the straights to cool my brakes/tyres and save fuel. Straight line speed bores me....

 

I come grew up in Northampton and still have family there so its local to me in that sense.

 

Just wondering who is going to stay over, as i need to book somewhere to stay and it would be great to stay with a few others so we could have a few beers and food.

 

Good idea. I have booked the very local Premier Inn with a friend who is also on the day.

 

I will book in there then, be great to meet up with you, how far is the nearest pub