Has anyone tried either of these pads? Need to replace the oem ones on my meg3 and not sure which ones to go with. Be good to get thoughts on each.. Thanks Rich
Good advice. Nick - can I ask did you ever try the stock pads before you upgraded? I was really impressed with the stock pads on my 250 and at £50 from Renault Wolverhampton (kindly shared by another forum member) have bought another set. I found the initial bite great but am not sure they'll sustain high g braking.
both would be overkill just for the road, I spoke to a rep about CL and he said the issue in the uk with them is in winter and salt breaks down the backing and the pads fall apart, did not seem like the best sales pitch to be having
Ive used the CL RC6 pads with Brembo HC discs and they are amazing. By far the best ive ever used.......however.....they did boil my fluid as they got so hot. They are super squeeky when driving normally and a little clunky due to being slightly smaller to allow for expansion for high temps on track Ive taken the pads/discs off and returned to standard and will only use the CLs for track
Yes for 300 miles and they were fine on the road. I am just a bit paranoid on track, having cooked road pads before. I find the Z-Rated PFC a good compromise - fine for road yet will take some track abuse without boiling the fluid nor cooking the seals. They're not even expensive. But for the road I would stick to OE, agreed.
That's interesting. A recent set of DS Uno (or possibly they were DS 1.1) I used fell apart a bit. A corner of one of the pads fell off, didn't affect performance but ended up changing them anyway so did affect life (and they're bloomin expensive!). The car they were fitted to is hardly ever used in the winter so maybe not valid.
Was it on your megane that you cooked the road pads? Can anyone explain why track pads don't boil the fluid but stock pads do? - does the pad make less heat to do the same work? I definitely had this boiling fluid or total lack of brake pressure but put it down to the fluid being nearly 5 years old. My car has 'full' Renault history but as far as I can see there's been no fluid changed. Edit to add - the pressure quickly returned to normal after a few pedal pumps.
Heat is proportional to friction coefficient. Also, if a compound is less prone to fading it will develop more accumulated heat compared to a road compound that will start cooking itself and therefore reduce friction by having the binding agent moving to the disk and creating "lubrication" (which will eventually be deposits).
Thanks for the feedback guys. They car is used for track and fast road trips. I'm off to the ring this weekend so needed to get something better than the boggo pagids. Ended up going with CL as was only £160 delivered from k-tec vs ds1.11s at £260. The guys at k-tec did mention squealing and tap noises and that aside, they felt it was the best bung for buck compared to say ferrodo or PFC. Will be replacing the fluid as well so let's how they get on... Will report back in after the weekend..
All depends how you use them, i have CL rc6's and i get very little squeal, if i do i just use them hard and they go quite again, bedding them in is also very important.
Thanks for this. Not sure if I've understood this correctly, but there's more heat with the uprated pad so more chance of boiling fluid? Stock pads less chance of boiling fluid? - just trying to convince myself I'll be ok with stock pads lol! Almost certain I'll be at brands on Friday - are you about then??
D Depends what fluid but upgrading it when upgrading pads is a good idea. Actually it's a good idea even on OE pads. RBF600 is your friend. Sorry won't be at BH on Friday but if my plans change I'll let you know. Cheers. Frog.
I'm not sure what fluid they'll use but I'm sure it'll be adequate. Will keep in mind the rbf600. Shame about brands, I'll probably make snetterton on Tuesday too, almost certainly in the Megane . Hope to have the Megane rdy for brands... With the new tyres I think 58 or less should be on the cards... cannot wait to see how they feel!!
Was thinking of going Friday but wouldn't be in the Megane. Looking like it might be difficult to get time off now unfortunately
I've only skimmed through thread but hands down the DS1.11. Tried to like the CL range for years on several vehicles but finally kicked them into touch couple years ago just too many issues with them, shame.
I've always been a fan of Ferrodo. DS3000s in my Clio and DS2500s in my Lotus. I'll stick some DS1.11 in the meg before it's first trackday.
I had DS1.11 and on hoons the braking was superb and I could take big chunks out of the others cars I was with but while they were fine on the road the squeaking did my head in (parking the car or crawling in traffic). In the end I went to DS2500 which seem to be an excellent compromise but I do switch back to the DS1.11 on track. That said, last time I CBA to change them and didn't notice much/any difference between the DS2500 and DS1.11 (both Ferodo BTW)
another vote for the Ferodo Racing pads, DS1.11 been my personal favourite/what I use for track Depends what the OP is using the car for, as to which compound would be advised
Right all. Quick update, run the CL pads at the ring over the weekend and they are super brilliant!!! I was there last month and the oem pads weren't upto the task in my view so having these a month later gave a good reference point as to how much better CL pads were. Downside however is they do get very hot which is fine if you have high performance brake fluid. I found the pedal went very soft when queuing to come back into the car park. On track temps are fine - just make sure you remove the air ducts up front as this makes a massive difference on cooling. For me I would use CLs again. Will be upgrading the fluid to PFC which k-tec stock. It has a wet boiling point of 380degrees, nearly twice as oem!! So there you have it. They are great for track. You do get some squealing on the road, but nothing alarming at all. It's subtle..
+1 for the CL's i have tried ds1.11's and they are okay, the dust from the CL's is bad but not as bad as the ds1.11's. Next on the list is Endless pads
@Flatout Great feedback thx. It's quite tricky sometimes not to use the brakes when queuing. I normally lift 3 corners before the end to give the brakes a chance. I removed the flaps too but I doubt it makes mote than a tiny difference. I mentioned it at work and people laughed, including a race engineer...
I found that removing the ducks does make a difference. It's actually one of the track driver guides on the RS monitor. I found I could do one more lap with zero brake fade compared to without. I guess if Renault thought it didn't make much difference, they wouldn't have included this in their guide to driving on track.
Shite that's more than someone on hear told me me they were, i need mk3 ones, CL's were much cheaper in Mk3's than Mk2 ones
I don't get any fade at the Ring at all on simple PFC Z rated so I am not sure your conclusion would stand to scrutiny. Other factors must have been at play, maybe fluid, which will always be the next weakest link. Not sure why Renault suggest it, marketing I would have thought. I would even say that on aggressive pads at the Ring you might actually want the flaps on a cold day as brakes can lose so much heat there and not be in the window. I am just conveying what people at work thought about this very subject when I saw it on the monitor and asked. The answer was unanimously "very little difference".
I ran DS1.11 on road for about 6 months inc 1 trackday. Excellent all round, the braking was massively massively improved over standard, but the dust they kick out was absolutely insane. Cleaning my wheels was at least a 2 hour job to remove all the dust after 3 weeks without a wash. The squeel also wore me down on the road. Ended up switching back to standard for the road and kept them for track use - after all this is what they're designed for. I'm going to try DS2500 next as a mid way compromise. Had them on my Clio 197 and they we're perfect road & track and dust was manageable.
