Something to think about. Better than the R888. Now asymmetric, so can be swopped from side to side. Road legal.
been watching these since came out, all good except price, not overly encouraging, sticking (pun intended) with 595RS-R
I reckon they will come down in price once they realise nobody is buying them. I might give them a shot later in the year.
I've been told by a French nut case their no better than the old ones and he does quite a few track days and a lot of ring laps
DZ03's or Trofeo-R's. Unless i get a cheap source for the Pirellis like i have for the DZ03's ill be sticking with them
Being asymmetric makes them better than the R888 as you can now equalise wear. More consistent data and performance feedback is needed on these compared to the old R888 before they are ignored. Price is the big issue at the moment.
Thing is though DZ03 have been for a few years now more consistent than the R888 whilst not really providing any less maximum grip so all they have done by the sounds of it is catch up a bit with the Dunlops. My money will be going on 225x40-18 Cup 2 when I get round to it at about 140 quid a corner the R888R have a very long way to fall to compete. Barely drive the Meg at all through the winter, Monday was the first time in 3 weeks and then only because we had double digit temps down here.
We will have to see how they shape up. Toyo reckon they are a new improved compound with a new tyre structure, so those benefits will have to be proven.
They were announced over a year ago but have been on a slow release to market. Also not used much in Motorsport as a control tyre in 2015, so not much extensive feedback yet.
Nobody will be keen to use them as a control tyre unless they are either vastly cheaper or the organising club does a sponsorship deal with the tyre manufacturer. Unfortunately the later is what Porsche Club have tended to do, they get a big wedge of money from Michelin or now Pirelli and the cost is past on to the competitor. Most clubs aren't like this though like I said and strive to maximise value for money.
If they were mega we would of heard by now. I know of a few guys who race on Cup 2 and swear by them, especially in terms of longevity and consistency. I have also heard from a couple of guys that tried the Trofeo R, OK they are the most expensive tyre out there but early reports (advertising really) suggested they set a new benchmark for performance. They didn't like them, so went back to the Dunlops which are perfect for longer races.
Who said they were going to be mega. They are just an evolution of the R888. Just like the Cup 2 was an improvement over the Cup +. Also if they are a control tyre for racing, then you have no choice. What someone decides to use for a track day or has a bit of freedom on the racing regs with tyre options is different. Anyway for a short session, racing or not, a soft compound R888 can be a weapon. Costly though.
Not sure what your point is? The Trofeo R was claimed to be mega, Chris Harris infomercial as an example. The guys I know who tried them won AMOC Intermarque last year, they weren't impressed. Ferrari Owners Club use them for their classic championship and Porsche Club use them for Class 3 in their championship. People talk to each other and word gets around quickly as it did with the Kuhmos a few years back, they very quickly took over from the hens teeth supersoft R888. Also not sure what your previous point was, the R888 used to be cheap, there was a time when it was almost a no brainer to buy R888 but the last couple of years they have got increasingly expensive. Why do you think some racing clubs were using tyres like Marongoni, Silverstone, Federal etc. often when nobody had much of an idea how these tyres would perform, money.
I think you need to read the thread again. No one is claiming they are a 'mega' tyre. So there is no need to try and keep proving otherwise. I've covered the price issue several times. They are just another tyre available for use and fairly new to market. The control tyre input is valid because that's where you can get some good comparison data over time when a new version of a tyre is released and a seasons feed back on times and capability can be assessed. Just like any tyre, it will have its plus and minus points and may be suited to certain situations.
God its like arguing with a brick wall. BTW control tyres are NOT a good comparison point because circuits evolve, the cars and other rules evolve and drivers come and go from a series or get better. There is also a certain amount of suspension setup optimisation to match certain tyre characteristics (cups always gave very pointy handling for example). A much better place to look is somewhere like CSCC where the drivers get a choice to use what they want and will try different tyres, test and race on them to get their own direct comparison data.
Completely wrong mate. The control tyre comparison over a season is exactly what you nee to judge the new tyres development. Just like any modification to a tightly controlled and regulated race series. You gather the data over the season in a variety of situations and scenarios. Also as a control tyre you will have no choice as to what to use. You do realise in racing sometimes you can't just use a random 'Mega' tyre (whatever that narrow definition means). Just comparing one one tyre make or brand with another only highlights which performs better in certain circumstances. Remember, this thread is about how the R888R tyre has improved, evolved and what it brings to the market. It's not about what you think is a better tyre.
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performance/track-day-tyres/federal-fz-201-road-track-tyre We use Federal tyres on our track day E36, decent for the price.
