Pivot joint RS250

Discussion in 'Suspension, Brakes, Wheels & Tyres section' started by crowdie, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. Hey,

    I've got the dreaded worn pivot joint on the driver side of my Megane.... which is on less than 40,000 :worried:

    I've been quoted £350 + Vat from KTEC to change just the pivot. Online the pivot is £70-£80, there must be somewhere that can do this cheaper?

    The problem is I'm in south Somerset so too far from Aaron autos in Derby. Does anyone know if there are any garages that can do this in the south west of england, or even south wales?

    Thanks
     
  2. Having phoned a few people today I had a scary quote of £700 to replace the hub as apparently you would have to replace the wheel bearing as well. Does anybody know if there is any truth to this?

    Such a head ache!
     
  3. If it's the swivel bearing, then yeah - Renault only provide the hubs
     
  4. I know someone who made the trip from Cornwall to Derby to go to Aaron's Auto.

    I made the trip from London, so it was only a 2 and a half hour drive.
     
  5. Not sure about that fix unless it's just a road car... Im not sure the bearings should really be pushed in and out of such a part
     
  6. -Jamie-

    -Jamie- RSM Moderator

    Plenty of track spec Meganes that have had it done both here in the Uk and in the continent, they are a consumable once you start using it hard tbh.
     
  7. This. Replaced mine at the beginning of spring, done 5 full track days since, will probably change them again in the new year.

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  8. Cheers for the replies, in the end I opted to get the whole hub changed at Renault. Only £6 more expensive to have the whole hub changed at renault which is local rather than get just the pivot changed at KTEC - no brainer! Would have been nice to just buy the pivot and find someone to press it in but it seems everyone I contacted is scared of the perfohub :worried:
     
  9. Even though it's (apparently) an interference fit?

    Might be the option I go down next time if it's "the done thing"
     
  10. Right, let me put this topic to bed.

    1. They're a doddle to fit if you take the whole assembly off and build it on the bench

    2. It's 20% of the cost of a new hub assembly from Renault

    3. Most importantly, the bearing itself sits within a reinforced casing which is then pressed into the hub, so even on a totally failed bearing, the damage would still not interfere with the hub, it's not like a taper bearing for arguments sake that slides onto a race, that does get damaged as the mounting for the bearing is a part of the bearing itself. If you actually look at the bearings, top or bottom, it is wholy acceptable to view it as a completely separate component. Just like a trackrod end, or a droplink.

    4. Cup racer teams, and even more importantly RALLY teams, replace bearings. Not hubs.

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  11. Duplicate post.
     
  12. Can we be clear with the part here?

    Is this swivel bearing in hub?

    Or ball joint in wishbone?

    Or are you saying it doesn't matter - both can just have the bearing replaced and not have whole part replaced?
     
  13. theres no swivel bearing on the mk3, there ball joints. well that's what ive read.
     
  14. Was just reading this post earlier...Sods law the guy who's going my cambelt and full service has just called and said mine needs replacing as well. Mines only done about 33k...Luckily its only costing £100 but not really what you need on cambelt change and major service! :confused:
     
  15. When I got the car there was a "swivel hub bearing" advisory and I ended up getting new hubs

    That's all I know

    May ask someone to take the car apart in front of me, so I know what's what!
     
  16. They're not like the swivel bearings on the mk2, they're basically a beefy looking bottom arm ball joint, which has a thicker body and a lot less movement. The body then presses into the main upright, then the wheel hub floats on top of it.

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  17. Thought I'd upload the picture of mine to clarify! Looking at the bottom picture, I believe it is next to the number 1. Bit of a shame I've had to get the whole hub assy changed but such is life, it's making some terrible noises so I just want it sorted.
    Renault really need to start selling just the pivot, especially with it being so common. Unfortunately I'm not in a position to change it myself and having just moved I don't know any garages I can trust!
    2016-09-28 08.14.03.jpg perfohub.jpg
     
  18. There is supposed to be a video attached but won't load
    Will try again in a bit
     
  19. Oli

    Oli

    Renault do just sell the bearing, you can order it from RPD for much cheaper than Ktec etc...(£55 if i remember), or the hub carrier with bearing already pressed in is £180. Though I understand Renault won't fit the bearings into the hub carrier, they will replace the hub carrier with bearing pressed in.

    I recently did this job on both sides and the actual pressing of the bearing in and out was not too bad. It tapped out relatively easily with a hammer from behind, and the new ones tapped back in using an appropriate sized cup/socket to cover them and a hammer/vice with to press them in...but maybe i got lucky. I'd recommend a decent workbench with a vice to do this, you're going to struggle on your garage floor.

    It's not shown very well in the diagram further up this page but the lower bearing stud goes through a hole that is tightened by a pinch bolt, this part then bolts to the upright. The most time consuming issue I had was removing the pinch bolt that pinches the stud of the bearing (you can see the end of it in the red circle in the photo further up this page,in the same picture you can also see the bolts going through the bottom of the upright that hold this part in place).

    (Above I have called it a bearing not a ball joint - i'm not sure what's going on inside the part so forgive me if it is one and not the other)
     
  20. Oh right I wasn't aware it was relatively straight forward. KTEC gave stories of heating the hub up and the pivot shooting out due to the pressure it is in there with (seems far fetched).

    When the next one inevitably goes I'll probably give this a go myself. I'm guessing the tracking needs doing afterwards and that's pretty much it?

    Edit: typo
     
  21. It was relatively easy to do, just press the pivot out from the hub. Most hard was to dismantle the hub out of the car, pressing was easy. And at least i did the tracking after that, it was pulling to one side before with the old part and i wanted to be sure that its right after the change.
     
  22. -Jamie-

    -Jamie- RSM Moderator

    Tracking should be done anytime you replace any steering/suspension component anyway
     
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  23. Oli

    Oli

    I guess it depends if you can go without the car/your situation, but if you remove the upright/hub carrier assembly and struggle with the bearing, you can then always take the assembly as it is now off the car to a garage for them to help press the bearing out and the new one in.
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2016

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